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a relative to what you want to do and at the moment i agree with tony that in fact we are all with taxing the water resources that we have access to ok i'm michael i mean scarcely i mean if you live in cypress it's very scarce yeah absolutely i mean it really is a relative term at that upper donnish at i mean let's face it look at a country like yemen very little water there but then look at a country like say china there's a lot of water in some parts of the country and in some of the western portions where you have a lot of agriculture it's very close to scarcity if you use the one thousand cubic meters for capital threshold so it's a relative term very much sell. tony well let's just go ahead please i know that on that piece. that i think singapore singapore only has five percent of the water that it needs therefore doesn't have the ten percent it needs for use at home and in jobs and it doesn't have any for the food. so for the half million people living in an area about the size of london or a small island. it is in fact a very prosperous country it proves that was in the absence of
a relative to what you want to do and at the moment i agree with tony that in fact we are all with taxing the water resources that we have access to ok i'm michael i mean scarcely i mean if you live in cypress it's very scarce yeah absolutely i mean it really is a relative term at that upper donnish at i mean let's face it look at a country like yemen very little water there but then look at a country like say china there's a lot of water in some parts of the country and in some of the western...
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then however it becomes no longer extending the bush tax cuts, but the obama tax cuts. president obama is associated with cutting taxes. there is political liability for them as well. the reality is they have to get off of this no tax increase nonsense. i read in the "new york times" the other day, no republican member of congress voted for it since 1990. do you believe that? we had two or three wars since that time? a tragedy at 9/11 and we had hurricane sandy. we had hurricane katrina and despite all of these, they are unwilling to raise them to support and fund our government. what does it say about the dysfunctionality? >> we will have to leave it there. happy holidays to you. joining me now on the phone, congressman gregory meeks. congressman, i just saw you downstairs in the lobby about two or three hours ago and you were waiting on a phone call to determine when you might have to go back to d.c. to hammer out fiscal cliff matters. have you gotten the call yet? >> we are still waiting. >> no word as to when you guys are going back? no sense of urgency? >> i think
then however it becomes no longer extending the bush tax cuts, but the obama tax cuts. president obama is associated with cutting taxes. there is political liability for them as well. the reality is they have to get off of this no tax increase nonsense. i read in the "new york times" the other day, no republican member of congress voted for it since 1990. do you believe that? we had two or three wars since that time? a tragedy at 9/11 and we had hurricane sandy. we had hurricane...
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gains tax. it's a bad time to move into apple. things like intel. something that the market beat up all year, you know, in the name of it being old world p.c. i think it -- push it to a point where the valuations are reasonable. stuff -- some of the utilities like s.o., aep, hit hard for tax reasons. when the new year starts, i think people will start moving back into those. i think there's things to buy. >> jim, it sounds like you're saying risk on as we approach january 1. i want to talk about the vix. i know that you watch that closely. we're watching it sitting under 20 now. not near the highs we saw when we were dealing with the debt ceiling debate. what's different about the fiscal cliff and what we were seeing then that's keeping the vix so low now? >> well, i think what it is is that the market's come to the realization that the budget thing is going to be clumsy. but at the end of the day, the fed is still prepared to inject more liquidity if things start to look bad. we have this push/
gains tax. it's a bad time to move into apple. things like intel. something that the market beat up all year, you know, in the name of it being old world p.c. i think it -- push it to a point where the valuations are reasonable. stuff -- some of the utilities like s.o., aep, hit hard for tax reasons. when the new year starts, i think people will start moving back into those. i think there's things to buy. >> jim, it sounds like you're saying risk on as we approach january 1. i want to...
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self-imposed out costs from society i will cut myself am i going to tax my brother understand my going to come out immediately i am going to leave basically attack the cops of my anger and my frustration over. the tough well into the dome. two of the most violent gangs in the us history. is just all modeled kill or be killed with the colors matching the national flag. but this country uses violence when it reaches its and it legitimizes the violence they are made in america on the oxy. we're talking about the politics of water. and i go back to tony in london in the literature there's a term the age of easy water is over what does that mean. when the population of the world was a million that was no pressure on resources when it was a billion and about eighteen hundred it also wasn't really a very big pressure on resources although smith was raised but nothing else with the who was around the same time did point out that we were doing difficult things to natural resources. and of course he was right but he was also wrong because as it turned out two hundred years later when the populat
self-imposed out costs from society i will cut myself am i going to tax my brother understand my going to come out immediately i am going to leave basically attack the cops of my anger and my frustration over. the tough well into the dome. two of the most violent gangs in the us history. is just all modeled kill or be killed with the colors matching the national flag. but this country uses violence when it reaches its and it legitimizes the violence they are made in america on the oxy. we're...
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we don't tax multinationals like anybody else. >> is that affecting our competitiveness? >> which countries around the world are you most worried about in your research as the real competitors? >> it's funny. we actually looked at where american companies were considering putting businesses and which companies -- countries we were competing with. you'd be surprised. we're competing with the whole world. there's lots of countries growing up. it's not just china, india, brazil. it's all of the above. back in the days when we were threatened by japan, it was just japan. now we've got a whole bunch of countries, including mexico, that are making radical improvements in their infrastructure, in their business environment, in their skill levels. they're working to drive down their regulatory costs. they're trying to make business simple. and in the meantime, we're just kind of loading costs encumbrances on our private sector. we've got to start addressing these fundamentals, or the living standards of the average american are going to continue to be under severe pressure for th
we don't tax multinationals like anybody else. >> is that affecting our competitiveness? >> which countries around the world are you most worried about in your research as the real competitors? >> it's funny. we actually looked at where american companies were considering putting businesses and which companies -- countries we were competing with. you'd be surprised. we're competing with the whole world. there's lots of countries growing up. it's not just china, india, brazil....
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because of the tax increase. i thought it was going to wreck the economy. it didn't wreck the economy. in '95 and '96, a lot of tough decisions by republicans, a lot of cuts that weren't popular with democrats as well as welfare reform. we heard all the horror stories. but you look at the tough decisions you guys made in '93 and '94, the tough decisions that we made sometimes that you agreed with and sometimes you didn't. taken together, those were three or four pretty dramatic years of political leaders stepping up and doing unpopular things. >> but that's what -- >> can we do that in 2013? >> -- works. >> i know. is washington still capable of that? >> i predict that it will happen. i think you will have, just like we did then, you'll have people out here and out here that won't agree with that. but i think you'll have an operating majority to do something. i believe that will happen. >>> still ahead, we're joined by actor and director ben affleck and the emmy-winning star of "veep," julia louis-dreyfus. first,
because of the tax increase. i thought it was going to wreck the economy. it didn't wreck the economy. in '95 and '96, a lot of tough decisions by republicans, a lot of cuts that weren't popular with democrats as well as welfare reform. we heard all the horror stories. but you look at the tough decisions you guys made in '93 and '94, the tough decisions that we made sometimes that you agreed with and sometimes you didn't. taken together, those were three or four pretty dramatic years of...
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and i didn't vote to raise your taxes. as simplistic as that is, i think it's true so i think they let us go over and then cut the taxes and they undo all the good the cliff could actually do. >> but there's no real spending cuts. that's part of the problem. it's all talk. there's no real cuts in the cliff. >> you guys sound like congress. keep on arguing behind the scenes. enjoy yourselves. thank you so much, michael. peter, you're sticking around. >>> meantime, the fiscal cliff may be a big deal but there is another threat out there which might be in the short term more risky. the container cliff. businesses up and down the eastern seaboard are bracing for a massive port showdown as unions threaten to strike and possibly shut down most imports and exports out of this country. let's add in cnbc contributor jimmy peeb. we focus so much on the fiscal cliff. if we shut down 14 or 15 of the biggest ports in america, that could do much more harm than any fiscal escarpment. >> it could do much more harm more quickly. the fiscal
and i didn't vote to raise your taxes. as simplistic as that is, i think it's true so i think they let us go over and then cut the taxes and they undo all the good the cliff could actually do. >> but there's no real spending cuts. that's part of the problem. it's all talk. there's no real cuts in the cliff. >> you guys sound like congress. keep on arguing behind the scenes. enjoy yourselves. thank you so much, michael. peter, you're sticking around. >>> meantime, the fiscal...
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the payroll tax holiday will expire on new year's day. that means most people will start paying more taxes in each paycheck. another 21 million americans would lose federal emergency unemployment benefits and those, let's remember, are people struggling the most right now. across the entire economy going over the cliff could slow the current growth rate of 3.1% and risk sparking another recession. joining us now to break it down from washington is cnbc's john harwood. thanks for being here. >> hey, ari. >> remind us where we were before plan b, how far apart were the last comprehensive offers between the president and negotiators? >> a few hundred billion dollars, which is a lot of money, sounds like a lot of money, but in the context of a ten-year budget deal when you have some very large programs that can be tweaked one way or another, is not that much. they were within shouting distance if the speaker could bring his caucus along to support the deal that he was promoting and getting close to striking with the president, but it's clear
the payroll tax holiday will expire on new year's day. that means most people will start paying more taxes in each paycheck. another 21 million americans would lose federal emergency unemployment benefits and those, let's remember, are people struggling the most right now. across the entire economy going over the cliff could slow the current growth rate of 3.1% and risk sparking another recession. joining us now to break it down from washington is cnbc's john harwood. thanks for being here....
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>> if all tax rates go up, any deal can be called a tax cut. it's simple like that. if you go over the cliff, anything's a tax cut. >> if you do it now how's it interpreted? >> the interpretation will some primary voters is you danced around on rates. >> or they pass a bill cutting taxes continuing the bush tax cuts for under $500,000 a year. something they agree on. >> because of what bob's saying is they're worried some voters are going to look at that -- >> unaware of reality that they would confuse this week with next week in terms of the same results. >> governor norquist agrees with you. but some republicans e spshlly in the house who are unwilling to make the plan "b" type deal. >> but in the end where do you think it's going to end up? 500,000? 600,000 $? >> it's going to be in the middle. closer to obama's $400,000. >> i think that's about right. sounds about like $400,000. >> which leaves out less than 2% of the people. >> absolutely. >> people say that's an average income. most people make about $40,000 a year. that's average. $40,000 and that's with three
>> if all tax rates go up, any deal can be called a tax cut. it's simple like that. if you go over the cliff, anything's a tax cut. >> if you do it now how's it interpreted? >> the interpretation will some primary voters is you danced around on rates. >> or they pass a bill cutting taxes continuing the bush tax cuts for under $500,000 a year. something they agree on. >> because of what bob's saying is they're worried some voters are going to look at that --...
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, they will have a tax cut. i think people have been thinking all along that really if push comes to shove, we'll do it in the new year and that seems to be what's developing. >> it creates an interesting dynamic, you'd have a new congress sworn in on january 3rd and ordinarily everyone goes home, get your picture taken, that's it. you're essentially swearing in a new congress and moving to the floor. that's something we haven't seen in quite a while, i'd say in the modern era. >> one of the odd things on the first day is elect a speaker. the majority party puts up -- this time it would be john boehner. the minority puts up their chosen leader, this time nancy pelosi. it's usually pro forma, but this time it has a real weight to it, because one of the reasons we're in this situation right now is because we're waiting for john boehner to be reelected to speaker of the house before they make a move, because only if 16 or 17 republicans don't vote for the guy, he could lose. they just want to wait. >> that's, i thi
, they will have a tax cut. i think people have been thinking all along that really if push comes to shove, we'll do it in the new year and that seems to be what's developing. >> it creates an interesting dynamic, you'd have a new congress sworn in on january 3rd and ordinarily everyone goes home, get your picture taken, that's it. you're essentially swearing in a new congress and moving to the floor. that's something we haven't seen in quite a while, i'd say in the modern era. >>...
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taxes because these are tax deferred accounts. >> okay, so probably safe to say don't touch them but how can you avoid the knee-jerk reactions when you see you're losing so much money? >> we've seen it. in 2009, the sky is falling, chicken little and everything's going wrong and we can't seem to, we want to jump out of the market. those in 2009 missed a 130% return in the market because they dived out at the bottom. we don't want to be a part of the individuals who as we want to buy, we want to buy low and sell high and that might be an old cliche but it works. what a lot of individuals are trying to do, they're doing is i want to sell, get rid of the risk and jump out because the fiscal cliff seems too much to take. this is one small blip in a long-term scheme of investment strategy. five plus years we should be looking at, not just a few months time span that's caused by political agenda. our economic agenda and fiscal house says let's not make any rash decisions and do some things that we'd look back on and say i missed a lot of good return. >> all right, thank you so much, ryan m
taxes because these are tax deferred accounts. >> okay, so probably safe to say don't touch them but how can you avoid the knee-jerk reactions when you see you're losing so much money? >> we've seen it. in 2009, the sky is falling, chicken little and everything's going wrong and we can't seem to, we want to jump out of the market. those in 2009 missed a 130% return in the market because they dived out at the bottom. we don't want to be a part of the individuals who as we want to...
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the rating agencies understand voting for a tax decrease is easier than tax increase. if this drags on to late january, the president is talking about using the inauguration as a forum to bash republicans, if this goes into february, they could come out irrespective of a deal going forward, aaa doesn't act like this. >> i think it's a problem if -- first of all, we don't get there. then there are down grades. that begins to sit in on corporate holdings. >> this is broader than insurance, major markets and holders. >> insurance is such a huge holder of corporate and municipal debt. the other thing, i think is interesting, i heard from the governor, i heard a statistic that rocked me back when i heard it, said in 2012, the first person to live to be 150 years old was born. think about the implications for that around annuities, social security, the medicare system. a lot of this is really not around poor management. i heard people saying it's been mismanaged. people are living so much longer than we ever expected. the retime ages set in 1800s. that is to a large degree w
the rating agencies understand voting for a tax decrease is easier than tax increase. if this drags on to late january, the president is talking about using the inauguration as a forum to bash republicans, if this goes into february, they could come out irrespective of a deal going forward, aaa doesn't act like this. >> i think it's a problem if -- first of all, we don't get there. then there are down grades. that begins to sit in on corporate holdings. >> this is broader than...
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that's the alternative minimum tax. also the wealth tax. conceived to prevent the wealthy from paying no taxes at all through deductions. congress has failed to pass an a adjustment to keep the amt from roping in lower taxpayers. irs was expecting that to happen. if congress fails to do so, revenue officials will start a lengthy and costly process of reprogramming computers. it could be march until effective taxpayers can file. >>> an interactive map is causing outrage in one community. what do all these little red dots mean? what do they locate? and why is a new newspaper under fire? we'll explain. year-end event. so, the 5.3-liter v8 silverado can tow up to 9,600 pounds? 315 horsepower. what's that in reindeer-power? [ laughs ] [ pencil scratches ] [ male announcer ] chevy's giving more. get the best offer of the year -- 0% apr financing for 60 months plus $1,000 holiday bonus cash. plus trade up for an additional $1,000 trade-in allowance. hurry. bonus cash ends january 2nd. [ sniffs ] i took dayquil but my nose is still runny. [ male an
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if not, we heard this, massive tax hikes, spending cuts will kick in automatically. the president and congress are due back in washington tomorrow. >>> and it is back to the mall today for millions of americans. today is expected to be the fifth-busiest shopping day of the year. but it's been a disappointing season so far for retailers, who are reporting the weakest sales growth since 2008. but the week between christmas and new year's can account for as much as 15% of holiday sales. >>> and more good news for hollywood, which is wrapping up a record year at the box office. "les mis" starring anne hathaway, hugh jackman, and russell crowe, had a strong opening. taking in a better-than-expected $17 million. ticket sales are up about 6% compared to last year. can't wait to see that one. >>> finally, if your christmas dessert just wasn't enough, well look what just rolled in. this, my friends, is the creation of a belgian chocolate company. the world's longest vintage chocolate steam train. did i mention it's chocolate. 110 feet of it. solid, nothing hollow. >> all that
if not, we heard this, massive tax hikes, spending cuts will kick in automatically. the president and congress are due back in washington tomorrow. >>> and it is back to the mall today for millions of americans. today is expected to be the fifth-busiest shopping day of the year. but it's been a disappointing season so far for retailers, who are reporting the weakest sales growth since 2008. but the week between christmas and new year's can account for as much as 15% of holiday sales....